And again, this was on the churchs dime. He could have apologized a long time ago, but nothing publicly. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. ARC is one of the largest church planting organizations in North America. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. "I was sitting in the back seat. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. It wasnt an argument. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. But it was dark. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. And they are even beloved by God. That would be acceptable teaching. They should go to the reconciliation team. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. Yeah. I felt physically sick reading the letter. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. Yeah. 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Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. Hi. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. Hes asking for money. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. 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You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? Gary, Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. Like wow! But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. No, it wasnt edited. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. Like, I cant believe this. Thats a Tuesday night. She wanted me to look at it. But for us not to act would be unbelief. This was a many time thing. This wasnt anything else. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. Just saying a lot of vile things. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. So what happened? You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. And you got all of them. Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. I had all the letters at that point. Thats about my attitude lately. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. She declined. So who is he talking about? The leaders were brought together. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. And the things that were done to them after they left. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. to anyone whos been a part of, of what went on. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. There were voices raised. I remember waking up that morning. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Christians should stop feeding these people. So, Dan, thank you for that. And then he apologized. These were people bringing charges against an elder. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. I remember that too. I know a lot of people look at this. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. At least some did. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. It was demonic. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. Well, youre welcome. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. 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And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. And I know it was a battle. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. But according. To donate, click here. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? Pastor James MacDonald. Theres no joy in doing this. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? What does the bible say about that? ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. I agree. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? And this was a spiritual battle. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. No One Knows. According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. And the pain is overwhelming. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Very interesting discussion. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. I knew what the topic was. And I checked my voicemail. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 And it was a pretty tough meeting. The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Because I believe in the church. And I said, Listen, I get it. I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. Wives submit to your husbands. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. Shame on you for reading scripture! In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. It was the elders failure. Visconti wins the Internet! I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. And Im just trying to smear him. And I got it. And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. And I remember a comment being made. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. And I got the text. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! But would he have been able to save face do you think? You are Julie. . Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. (Proverbs 27:12). How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. Search my early tweet history. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. Thats right. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. So thats, thats February 5, 2019. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. 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