They have the training to treat illnesses under According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between 2018 and 2028, demand for PAs will jump by 31%, nurse practitioners by 26%, and registered nurses by 12%. These are not easy choices and there can be substantial obstacles to overcome. On a day shift, my work day starts at 6 a.m. or 7 a.m. It's helped me to know that I picked the right time to go. Learn More, Harsh Criticism from some doctors on the PA profession. WebHe must hate father and mother, wife and child. Yes I think thats probably a big if not one of the biggest parts. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! As you build experience = job satisfaction = more respect. The afternoon is then typically spent doing new admissions and consults. One doc in particular accused PAs of being You could say I'm burnt out, and you'd be right. We all like to think of ourselves as doing a lot (or most) of what doctors do. Im tired of no admin time. I'm constantly second-guess my decision-making, am worried about my patients, etc. A bachelor's degree is required to apply for most PA programs. I've though about working a meanial job and paying the bare minimum on my loans. I've been kind of noticing this in general too. It was a chance at a promotion, and I immediately knew I didn't want it. I've perused the thread, and it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice. Ive been working as a PA in orthopaedic surgery for about a year. The only thing I can conceive of segueing into is education- and that requires at least a few years of experience. I'd do a masters' degree in counseling and make myself an ersatz psychiatrist, because that's FAR more needed than a doc who is admittedly superior to PAs in isolating the correct diagnosis in an undifferentiated new disease state. WebWhen you access a Sutter Health network hospital, physician or medical specialist, you'll be tapping into Northern California's premier care network for you and your family. How do you generally evaluate and treat patients? Why not take condescend from the medical heavens and take these alleged deficient PAs under their all knowledgeable wing and share with them the nectar of the MD/DO deities?A few lab techs from my program went and became PAs years ago. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Start your band, work at Chik-fil-A. Participation is open for anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. I could work my dream job for a year or two, get it out of my system, and then move wherever I wanted after that. Well, regardless of my opinion (which is always correct), the entire landscape is totally different now than it was a generation ago and even further from the generation before that. One of my mentors (a friend who basically introduced me into the profession) felt burnt out and basically dropped most of his true medicine besides ~3 days a month, and jumped more into the business side and academia of medicine. Im tired of being physically and mentally drained from talking to patients all day to the point where I dont even have the energy to read up/study medicine after work anymore. If they have received treatment at Mayo Clinic previously, it is nice to be prepared with all their recent medical information. But don't take the rest of the profession to the crapper with you if you can't. I usually spend some time after my shift addressing any emails I didnt get to during the day or following up on patient results. Most of us want out eventually. 89. And we all appreciate a nice clean work environment. We developed a network of coworkers who became close friends, spent time together outside of work, and celebrated holidays as a group. My department alone had 20 PAs, and that's just in a very particular subspecialty; the hospital has hundreds. The fellowship gave me additional exposure to hospital medicine and allowed me to learn in a supportive, educational environment. It gets better. Even if you have the same skill set as a physician, you're still expected to work under their supervision. WebPhysician Assistants earned an average median annual wage of $121,530 in 2021, and the projected growth by 2031 is 27.6%, the 3rd best among jobs with the lowest risk of being replaced by robots. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Hospitals are PAs largest employer group, and hospital medicine is an ever-changing practice setting. I'd be paying them off forever but God, I'd probably be happy! I call the two physicians at the start of my shift, and we determine who will see each patient. Hospital internal medicine seemed like a good fit, but after I graduated, I felt like I needed more training. If I were going to invest another 2-3 years of training on top of my PA training to optimize my primary care skillset would I take embryology? In all my years of working in cancer, it has been the only time frame this has happened. We discuss everything from interesting patient cases to stories about our kids to our favorite recipes. I'm glad we're realistic about the way we are feeling. What I found was that I liked a little bit of everything and was drawn to the hospital setting. Theres no turning the clock back now. Every night I come home and try to escape my work day. They all lacked real patient care experience. Philo If a particular place is used to hiring PAs from a particular school and they continue to get the same quality of PA then whose fault is it for doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. And I hate to say it but, despite the headlines of a "growing PA profession" and it being called one of the hottest jobs of the future, the actual job absolutely sucks. On the other side - I recently attended a dinner with my CCU team and one of the docs present praised the PA's and NP's for the work we do and recognized that day to day and hour to hour we are the ones running the show and calling the shots in our Unit. I've been there too. Surely. If you don't like something about where you are, you need to work to change it. Lately Ive been finding myself jealous of my peers and colleagues in other industries. Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. Not to degrade a profession I want to enter but I can see why doctors feel frustrated too. The spectrum of work hours, conditions, level of autonomy, and pay is tremendous; possibly more so than any other direct provider profession. If you don't have a science-related undergraduate degree, don't fret. There'd always been a patient or two that I wanted to make sure I stayed until the end for, and then that would overlap with the next patient. Jobs are out there that will afford you the respect, autonomy, and fulfillment that you seek. It won't be long until machine learning allows computers to supplant human providers for diagnostics? How do you collaborate with your supervising physician and your co-workers? uscareerinstitute.edu. For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. Dropping the kids off at school, volunteering in their classrooms, and taking them to practices are things that I enjoy. Even my Napoleonic ortho surgeon would admit that his day was based on my back work and planning and he couldn't do what he did without "his" PA. WebAccording to Holland, physicians and physician assistants fall into the investigative category. Medicine is the most resistant field to change. Ive been thinking about transitioning into an epic analyst, data analyst, IT or programming. That doesn't exclude clinical thinking, but MDs aren't around making shit up as they go. The APPs either work day or afternoon/evening shifts. It was day two of my elective rotation in oncology at M.D. So, I worked my last day at my dream job a few weeks ago. Everyone said just graduate, wait till you start working, it will pass. All I can say is that you should come spend a day with me (or any other surgical PA I know), and I will disabuse you of the notion that I'm a glorified "errand boy" with no autonomy. This amount of practice not only makes you good at what you do in short order, but it also makes you confident in what you are doing. Also, I liked the acuity of hospitalized patients and the fast pace and variability of days in the hospital. I answer emails and do paperwork whenever I have a free moment. Staff Physician. Send comments to reagan@caglecartoons.com and follow @reaganworld on All Rights Reserved. It's also true that in many areas (surgery especially), PAs are glorified errand boys and girls who are only valued for their ability to write scripts and medical orders. Another helpful characteristic of HIM PAs is being obsessive (in a healthy manner) about details to make sure all of the patients medical conditions are addressed and nothing is missed. Just put your head down, work hard, and earn the respect you want. Many docs are employees of someone else. I'm happier now & had grown. It's a powerful feeling to know you are good at what you do, and it's reassuring when those with whom you work trust you to manage patient care at a high level. For those of you who are head over heels in love with your current position, be thankful. Looking back now. Only deployment overseas to Iraq as an Army Medical Officer gave me the great job satisfaction one would expect to get out of their work. To the OP. If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible! Yes it will be a longer path and a harder one, but it will end. Geez, why do people have such inferiority or superiority complexes. I shouldve really thought about what I really wanted out in life before I decided to go down this road. How does that work? I have zero confidence in my abilities as a practitioner/decision making/etc., which isn't helpful in any aspect. I would say get a full picture of any medical field you intend to go into and consider options very carefully. Press J to jump to the feed. The ones I am interested in wont hire a new grad. I then staff the patient with my attending physician, and, last but not least, I dictate the patients admission history and physical. I have no desire to be a PA anymore. Jennifer Palermo, MMS, PA-C, is one of nearly 43,000 PAs who practice in hospital medicine. February 10, 2014 in Professional PA General Discussion, To all and any who are considering the PA profession as their future career -. The PANCE consists of 300 total questions. She pulled up the images of his CT scan performed at an outside hospital. Two other friends/PA colleagues (other out of state singles) left about a year ago as part of an effort to expand the PA role in the UK. I also knew that the likelihood of me accepting another position while I was still in a job I enjoyed so much was nearly zero. Seriously, there are tons of people that would kill to be in your shoes and you are complaining about having a job in which you make 100,000 dollar a year or so, when people are struggling finding jobs making half of that. It may be the best professional experience I ever have. "If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible!" 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