Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. ADG 28 Nosler. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. You must log in or register to reply here. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. $89.95. Ban sober drivers from driving. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. $81.95. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. 7rm for me. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. Buy Now. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Barrels are like truck tires. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. Mag., the 264 Win. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Most people are getting sub half moa. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. Mag. And heres the same 175-gr. And in the chambers of their rifles. Im in the market to start a new build. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. We use cookies to make your experience better. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. I'm the same as you. Alabusa Learning. Mag. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. ammo. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. Retumbo. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. You are using an out of date browser. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. Worth considering. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. M700 shooting 180-gr. You go long. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. Clearly the 7mm Rem. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Buy Now. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. It made sense for me. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. Thanks, BnG. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. Both are great rounds. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. rick smith. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. Trustpilot. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Ron Spomer Howdy. I just did a 7mm build too. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. Improving 7mm Rem. 22 Nosler. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. You are using an out of date browser. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. Both were introduced in 2001. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . Which one would you choose and why? Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. You are using an out of date browser. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Want to do 24-26 barrel. Diver160651 Who cares. These are some impressive numbers. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange needed another shot behind the head to kill it. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. You must log in or register to reply here. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. JavaScript is disabled. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Full Member. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. Interesting. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. Mag. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Mag. Cartridge: 7 RUM. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Another vote for 7 rem mag. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. This is Not a New Thing. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. So how do you choose among these three? If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. Buy Now. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . How bout building a 280AI. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. Id suggest a similar plan. New member question. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. 7RM!! FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. SAUM can be found on the . The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Thanks. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. for my brand of hunting. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. And more recoil. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. at the muzzle. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. 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Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. I went 7SAUM. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. . The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. Minuteman. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Either is good. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . &mm PRC. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. Categories A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. 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